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good evening, americans and welcome to "the ed show." another meeting on the debt ceiling between the president and leaders from both sides. still no deal. but now, even republicans are willing to admit that they've talked themselves into a corner by refusing to raise the debt ceiling. this is "the ed show." let's get to work. >> it's time for all republicans to put the interests of american families ahead of this small group within their party. >> democrats are taking their case to the american people. republicans are still holding the economy hostage. we've got the latest. major news from the justice department. the fbi today said that they have opened an investigation on
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news corp. and in "psycho talk" tonight, one of the most offensive and blatant false statements you will ever hear courtesy of fox news. good to have you with us tonight, folks. latest round of tense negotiations between president obama and the republican leaders ended earlier this evening with no deal. tonight's meeting lasted just over an hour. with no meeting planned for tomorrow. the white house says the president will hold a press conference tomorrow morning. they have left the possibility of a weekend meeting up in the air. during today's meeting, house majority leader eric cantor reportedly remained silent the entire time. republicans are still refusing a generational opportunity to cut social safety net they have been after for decades, the new deal. president obama put the country before his own political future in an effort to solve a crisis republicans basically created.
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president obama knows the stakes. his treasury secretary tim geithner laid it out today. >> we've looked at all available options. and we have no way to give congress more time to solve this problem and we're running out of time. and the eyes of the country are on us and the eyes of the world are us and we need to make sure we send together and send a signal to take the steps necessary to avoid default and also take advantage of this opportunity to make some progress in dealing with our long-term fiscal problems. we don't have much time. it's time we move. >> most republicans are ignoring geithner's warning. take a listen to michele bachmann. >> you don't care if we're degraded? >> we won't. the president knows and secretary geithner know that we have sufficient money to pay the interest on the debt. >> why's moody's saying that to scare the country then? >> what they're saying is that
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if we fail to pay the interest on the debt we'll be degraded. there's no reason to do that. we have plenty of money to pay the interest on the debt. that's why i think the president is playing politics. >> plenty of money all of a sudden. republicans created the crisis and have been flat-out lying about it for months. senator lindsay of south carolina admitted it telling "the new york times" our problem is we made a deal about this for three months. how many republicans have been on tv saying, i'm not going to raise the debt limit? we have no one to blame but ourselves. blam isn't the only republican admitting to the lie. this is what senator bob corker of tennessee said on the senate floor today. >> maybe the debt ceiling was a wrong place to pick a fight as it related to trying to get our country's house in order. maybe that was a wrong place to do it. >> no deal will ever get done until john boehner and eric cantor admit the truth. they created the crisis and they own it.
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a new begin pack poll shows 48% of americans will hold the republicans responsible if the debt ceiling is not raised compared to 34% who will blame the obama administration. the president has taken a hell of a risk by putting his political future on the table over this republican-made crisis. he's betting independent voters will make up for the numbers that he may lose from his base if he ever gets to the point where he's really going to cut the big three. i do give the president a great deal of credit for fighting the republicans like this and standing up to them. they're a reckless party and they don't care if they have another financial meltdown in this country. this is one of the most un-american things i think i have ever seen play out by a political party. president obama is putting politics aside. it's time for the republicans to do the same. i mean, when the president says this may sink my presidency, he's willing to have that happen as long as it saves the country financially.
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for once, for sure, we can turn to washington and see that there is someone and it happens to be president obama who's willing to put country first at the stake of -- at the sake of possibly losing his base in a very important election cycle and it may, of course, jeopardize his re-election. he's got 77 people in the house who signed on a resolution saying no cuts to the big three and willing to go to war with them as well to save the economy. where are the republicans? for the latest on the negotiations, let's go to huffington post editor sam stein. what is the latest? what can you tell us tonight from washington? >> the republicans and democrats wrapped up a meeting in the white house earlier today. they have not had a conclusion. all parties said it was cardinal. eric cantor reportedly did not speak during this meeting despite having his verbal dramatics with the president the day before. the president continues to push for a big deal like you said, ed.
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he pushls for various elements of entitlement reform. we don't know what he wants now because he scales back his willingness to do entitlement reform. the likelihood i think at this juncture is to get some agreement and may very well be a compromise along the lines of what mitch mcconnell proposed and tinkered to include 1.5 trillion in spending cuts alone. >> does that deal have a chance? what harry reid and mitch mcconnell are working on right now? how's that received? >> it's being received skeptically and the details are still to be determined. it will face a tough, tough road ahead in the house. i think house republicans are generally willing to sign on to spending cuts but democrats really don't get much out of the deal and signing off on $1.5 trillion in cuts. they get no revenue in the pang package as it's construed but a promise of a debt commission on top of this to consider how else
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to find savings. obama doesn't get the package that he wants moreover and gets the debt ceiling raised and what's happened is leadership going back to the caucuses on friday. there's no meeting at the white house. they'll determine where the political support lies. the president given them 24 to 36 hours to come up with a path forward and then to fill in the blanks. >> sam stein, reporting tonight from the white house, appreciate your time, so much. >> thanks, ed. >> let's turn to congressman robert mendez of new mexico and mr. d yarmouth. they're working on a deal. how serious is it? how close is it? >> well, i think it's an effort to have a plan "b" in the absence of having the country default and the consequences that arise from that for every american and our entire economy and our standing in the world. and in terms of the specifics,
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it's still has to be worked out. but it is a plan "b." on the presumption that republicans in the house want to be totally responsible. >> congressman, do you know what the president wants to do with social security, medicare and medicaid? when he puts $4 trillion, that number out there, it scares a lot of people. it prompted 77 members in the house on the democratic side to sign on to a letter saying you can't touch the big three but do you know what he wants to cut? >> no, i don't think we did. it's unfortunate there's actually the idea that we would consider substantial changes in important policies in this country behind closed doors. i don't think the american people will buy that but the important thing is the president basically positioned himself very well. he said everything's on the table. i'm for a big plan. the republicans can't get their act together. there's nothing that they can get enough votes for to pass in the house right now. so, the politics are pretty simple. mitch mcconnell admitted them yesterday publicly and in a
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radio program in my district and laura ingram's show basically if the debt ceiling is not raised the republicans will pay a price, bad for their brand and why he's desperate to come up with some kind of a fallback position. >> senator mendez, lindsay graham and bob corker have pretty much put all the cards on the table admitting republicans started this crisis and shouldn't have gone down this road. it seems to me it would have a great impact on some of the other republicans in the caucus. what is your take on their admission? >> you know, they have just the problem, though, and their problem is that everything that's an entitlement for middle class, working families in this country and for seniors on social security, for the disabled, that's an entitlement that needs to be on the table. >> but they're basically admitted to lying, aren't they, senator? they're basically admitted the trying to hoodwink the american people. >> well, yeah. when you flush out an
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entitlement to big for oil and corporate jets, an entitlement of mark-ups in the tax code for, you know, race horses and all of that, that's okay. but it's not okay for average people and i think they clearly have contrived this issue. you know, i pointed out on the senate floor today that george bush raised the debt ceiling several times to the tune of $5 trillion which is an essence the bush tax cuts to the wealthiest people in the country. ronald reagan did it a whole bunch of times so this is contrived on their part but what they're really playing with is not president obama's political future. what they're really playing with is the country's future. >> no question about it. congressman yarmuth, what do you make of the silence in the meeting after being chastised by harry reid and labeled his behavior is childish? is cantor the problem in all of this? is he the stick in the mud a deal? >> he is a big problem because he's actually been -- has either
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it is an tacetly encouraging the members of the tea party in their party to resist the increases the debt ceiling. they say they won't vote for an increase under any circumstances, no deal. i think he's responsible for that. this is entirely reckless behavior on his part. he's acting like not the most mature person in the room and unfortunately, you know, there's more than just a default crisis. that's big enough but you're talking about an impact of potentially taking 10% of the economy and letting it evaporate. there will be millions of jobs lost. everybody's interest rates will go up. this is really playing with fire and eric cantor through his lack of leadership is creating a big part of this problem. >> yeah. gentlemen, final question. what more can the president do? senator, you first.
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>> well, i think he needs to continue to go to the american people and let them know, you know, the consequences in their lives from higher interest rates on their credit cards, their mortgages, the loss of jobs, the contraction of an economy. >> has he handled it well? >> you know, i've certainly am thrilled of what he's been doing over the last week, week and a half. i wish he started a little earlier in the process but i want him to go full throttle at this point because we need to get a deal done that ultimately saves the nation from what will be an enormous economic consequence. >> can the president do anymore? >> i think the last few days he's been extremely strong and as long as he doesn't back down now he's in a great spot. this is not about politics. this is the future of our economic. we can't let reckless republicans tank it and i think the president's standing up strong. as long as he stays there, we'll be okay. >> congressman menendez and representative yarmuth, thank you for your time. we'll have more on the debt ceiling talks and whether or not they're trying to move eric
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cantor from the negotiating table to the kid's table. and "the nation" magazine has hundreds of documents from a secretive ring-wing organization responsible for most of the anti-labor laws in the country. that group's agenda and methods have been exposed. stay with us. you could save a bundle with geico's multi-policy discount. geico, saving people money on more than just car insurance. ♪ geico, saving people money on more than just car insurance. helps defends against occasional constipation, diarrhea, gas and bloating. with three strains of good bacteria
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reportedly the fbi has now opened an investigation in the united states to determine whether or not any of news corp.'s entities hacked in to the voice mail systems of victims of 9/11. >> uh-huh. rough day over at the office, huh, for fox and things keep getting worse for fox news parent company news corp. and owner rupert murdoch. the fbi opening a preliminary investigation into news corp.'s following requests of several members of congress including the latest of oregon.
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both the department of justice and the fbi officials tell nbc news that the agency is unlikely to move forward until the british conduct their investigation into the phone hacking scandal that took down british tabloid news of the world. and now murdoch is speaking publicly for the first time about the crisis that has en ungulfed his empire. he says they have handled it extremely well in every way it's just been amazing. i change of heart about testifyg before a british parliamentary committee. the decision came after receiving an official summons to attend. r skin twin? covergirl trublend has skin twin technology. other makeup can sit on the surface of your skin, so it looks but trublend has skin twin technology
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welcome back to "the ed show." at this hour, still no deal on the debt talks. president obama and the republican leadership at a stand still and no talking are scheduled for tomorrow. senator reid praised mitch mcconnell of kentucky and also speaker of the house boehner of the house for acting in good faith at the negotiating table. it's eric cantor, that's the guy who's been the problem. >> house majority leader eric cantor shown that he shouldn't even be at the table. and republicans agree he shouldn't be at the table and he's walking out on the meetings with the vice president of the united states. it was childish. another republican said cantor's putting himself first.
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he said this. quote, he's all about eric. >> so, when we got a problem, we're going to let the lawyers fight it out. joining me now is host of the ring of fire radio talk show mike papitonioo and ron christie, both attorneys. let's get after it. all right. now, i'm told that eric cantor didn't say anything in the meeting today. i don't know if he's responding to harry reid with silence or what and the president is going to hold a press conference tomorrow. ron christie, to you first. is cantor holding up a deal? >> no. he's not holding up a deal. president obama is holding up the deal. the republicans have been firm and adamant that bill that will increase taxes will not pass the house of representatives, not only with republican votes, but they're not sure if they have the democratic votes. if president obama's very sincere about getting a deal to make sure we don't have a debt crisis he could say let's pass something light now. who's held this up? president obama. who's held this up? majority leader harry reid. >> mike, what do you think?
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>> well, look, mitch mcconnell is telling all of his, ed, obama's won this fight and he's telling his friends, he's telling mr. cantor there that, you know what? what you're doing is making us look like a bunch of crazy old men. like the crazy uncle that shows up at a thanksgiving dinner. that's the way the public is seeing this republican party right now. so mitch -- so you got mitch mcconnell trying to talk sense into eric cantor. eric cantor is like he's not aware of the fact that today the american public, 55% of the american public, blame the republicans, they blame george bush for this economy. 70% of the american public couldn't care less whether we give billionaires more of a tax break. and you know what in the american public also knows that cantor doesn't think they know. they know that ronald reagan raised this debt ceiling 19 times. >> ron -- >> yeah. they know that george bush raised it nine times. >> ron, you will admit that
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boehner, cantor and mcconnell not on the same page. >> of course they are. >> why did mitch mcconnell try to do a deal? >> they're very clear and on the same page. we want to end spending, do not continue to kick the can down the road to find the tough solutions to face right now. you might have intelligence of opinion of how to do that but all three leaders have been very firm. stop spending. reduce entitlements and find a way to do this now. >> ron, the conservatives in this country have gone after the entitlements. they wanted this time in history. and now here's president obama at the table ready to chip away to the tune of $4 trillion and you guys are saying, no. all over a little tax increase that might come happen down the road. >> ed, i don't believe him. i don't believe the president. the president came out with a budget resolution that was voted down 97-0 earlier this year. >> you don't believe he's an honest broker? >> no, i don't. >> is he being an honest broker?
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he said it could take down his presidency. >> he is. i love his high noon language right now, ed. i love the fact he says you have until friday. i love that high noon language. i like when he talks -- you know what? every progressive in this country is waiting for him to do that. you know what i love about it? the republicans have been so out matched here that obama is doing it behind closed doors. he is doing it, he's got the grover nor exist crowd behind closed doors and saying, look buddy. you have until high noon to act like a responsible legislator. >> so -- >> you know what? right now, right now he's avoiding this image of being inflexible, noncompromising. he is winning this fight. he is killing eric cantor and got to be tough for republicans. >> is this all we'll hear from the republicans at this point? this is as far as they go? the line in the sand. they're done? >> of course it is. >> wow. >> the senate democrats haven't passed a budget in over two years. let me finish this, ed.
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we hear talk about, oh, the republicans' game and obama is schooling them. the american people are tired of the fact that the senate hasn't passed a budget over two and a half years. >> what about lindsay graham's comment saying we probably shouldn't have gone down this road? >> i don't care what lindsay graham has to say about this. i care about the fact that the republicans have failed -- excuse me, the senate democrats failed in the responsibility to pass a budget and president obama has not put forth a budget outline. he's lying to the american people. he should be called a liar. he is a liar. >> ron, mike, great to have you with us tonight. the flooding in north dakota sure does turn tea party republicans into advocates of big government. why is north dakota sitting on a billion dollar replus when its people are hurting? the polls show they don't like the games the republicans are playing. [ male announcer ] members of the american postal workers union
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welcome back to "the ed show." there is no better story in america than this one that really illustrates who the republicans are and what the tea party is all about. and it's from the prairie state of north dakota where the republicans of north dakota with their heavy tea party contingent, they're all for small government and state's rights until, of course, flooding hit min not, north dakota. then they want to know how the state can get as much federal
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aid as possible at the same time north dakota is sitting on more, get this number, they're sitting on more than $2 billion. it could use to help people whose lives have been torn apart by the flooding. senator john hovan who was governor for ten years is one of the north dakota republicans who sounded the alarm about the nation's deficit. >> and we need the president to lead. when we talk about getting this debt under control, we need the president to lead. we can't have a situation where we spend more and then simply borrow more or try to raise taxes to cover that spending. >> but then, of course, the flood came. senator hvan, he was calling for swift presidential action. he wanted a disaster declaration. of course, to get fema money flowing asap and once that happened north dakota republicans were among those calling on president obama to visit minot, north dakota,
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hoping for federal funds could be approved. yesterday department of homeland security secretary janet napolitano went to minot and announced even more counties would be eligible for disaster relief. >> we want to make sure that we are giving the full court press here, the full court press on grants for temporary housing and home repairs, on low-coast loans to cover uninsured property losses. and there are other programs, as well, designed to help families, to help individuals, to help businesses get back on their feet. >> now, did you hear her say full-court press? okay. full-court press. means they're going to go owl out to help the folks in north dakota so the federal money, federal money is going to be flowing to the state. but get this. north dakota is one of the few states sitting on a budget surplus. a nearly $1 billion surplus.
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and it also has $1 billion in trust funds. so it could, you know, easily be utilized to help the people, you know, maybe with some dollars? to keep them from suffering. now, these folks in minot and the river lost their homes, it's record flooding. the jobs aren't there because, of course, the economy has been stymied with all this flooding. and yet, the tea partiers on the prairie and the republican party, they don't know what full-court press is all about. they just don't get it. so they've got to have all these committee meetings and they might get to it by november with the special session. i wonder if those people are going to be there in north dakota by november. you see, they're tight with the dollar. when it's their money, they don't want to spend it. they're tea parties and hoarding the money away in the checking account to the ton of a billion dollars and don't know what they're going to spend it on. i used to ask them what will you
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do with the surplus? we are saving it for a rainy day. well, hell, it's been raining. and this is a chance now for the representatives and the senators of north dakota on a state level to bite the bullet and write the check to tax paying americans who desperately need it. the tea party. that's what they're all about. selfishness. if you really want to know what kept the public option out of the health care reform bill, look no further than a shadowy right wing organization responsibly for pushing the conservative agenda throughout the country. that group's secrets exposed for the first time and fox's eric bowling is pretending, pretending the 9/11 terror attacks never happened. outrageous psycho talk tonight. stay with us. almost tastes like one of jack's cereals. fiber one. uh, forgot jack's cereal.
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welcome back to "the ed show." and thanks for watching tonight. in 2010, the last election cycle, republicans took complete legislative control of 21 states and alec was there to help them. alec is the american legislative exchange council. alec for short. it's responsible for creating model bill that is are then passed by republican lawmakers and governors. alec is powered by billionaires like the koch problems that pump money into the organization this. year gop governors and legislatures came up with at least 500 anti-labor laws that were crafted using alec legislation as templates. this includes the collective bargaining laws signed by republican governors such as john kasich in ohio, senate bill 5 which is now being challenged. and scott walker of wisconsin,
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both former members of alec. the alec agenda involves some pretty basic right-wing stuff. shrinking government regulations, union busting which they're good at. privatizing education which most of the country doesn't want and other goals intended to benefit powerful corporations and the executives to work for them. bills and membership is kept pretty much under wraps for years until now. thanks to a data leak, data leak, alec is exposed in this week's edition of "the nation" magazine as part of a joint effort with the center for media and democracy. more than 800 documents including alec's model legislation were obtained by "the nation" and can be viewed at and let's turn to washington correspondent of "the nation" john nichols and lisa graves with us, executive director of the center for media and democracy in the state of
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wisconsin. great to have both of you with us. this is so important. we have a crucial election coming up but i think the viewers want to know, john, what are the origins of alec? when did it start? how long has it been in effect? who's behind it? >> well, it's a great question, ed. it is the place to begin. alec was founded back in 1973 by the losers of the great political battles of the '60s and the '70s. ring-wing conservatives who had failed at every turn and they were looking at the reality that america was becoming a more progressive country. even richard knox exxon was doing environmental laws so they decided to create a very secretive kind of back door operation to go into the states and their model was a fascinating one. they linked legislators as members paying very, very low dues and big corporations as members paying very, very high dues.
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putting them together to write model legislation but also to form an ideology, a vision of what could be done in the states. >> yeah. >> and alec is around now almost 40 years and what's important is the 2010 election gave republicans more legislative seats than at any time since 1928. and they have leapt, alec leapt on that opening to begin to flood legislation into the states. >> lisa, tell us about the template. how similar are the bills? how easy is it for a lawmaker on a state level to take alec material and put it in front of a legislative committee and in front of a body? >> well, we published over 800 bills from alec through a whistle-blower and those bills look a lot like many of the bills that we have seen popping out around the country. the fact is that all of these bills and resolutions virtually have been published in your state houses, in state houses across the country but what
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hasn't been known before the pub ligs on our site is that you could trace the origin of the bills back to alec. you could trace the origin back to task forces that alec formed in which corporations and politicians vote on these bills before they're introduced in state houses across the country and so this template -- >> how is alec going to affect the 2012 run? >> well, that's a great question. i think that they are probably about ready to tout tremendous success in august at their conference in new orleans because so many of their bills have been making their way through the state houses on voter i.d., things on the unions, things on teachers. issues regarding privatizing public education. the whole pan plea of the privatization bing. along with extraordinary support of oil companies, opposing winfall taxes on oil company profits, opposing increasing revenue. these measures are really echoed
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in all of alec's documents and the national legislature by john boehner and eric cantor. alec is tremendously influential. >> yeah. john, what influence if any did alec have when it came to changing health care reform legislation in the heat of the battle? >> i think that's a terrific question, ed. alec was in the forefront of the fight against health care reform and particularly the fight against the public option. alec organized letters that were signed by hundreds and hundreds of legislators this across the country including key leaders. it was the backbone of the effort to pressure republicans to hold firm against any kind of realistic reform. >> john, is there anything on the left to compare to this or parallel it in the way? >> there's the progressive states network which is very open and public. it is not a secretive group like alec. the reality is there's no
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parallel grouping on the left but there is a need for progressives to do something. >> yeah. >> not to do so secretly and behind closed doors but to openly go out and challenge the right-wing agenda in the states. >> the letter said membership to alec. how do you get membership to alec? pledge alegience and say i'll do what you want me to do if you line my pockets for re-election? is that how it works? >> legislators pay $50 a bill, sometimes taxpayers foot the bill. corporations pay between $7,000 and $25,000 a year for one stop shopping at alec conventions to hob knob with the politicians and basically push the wish list through the legislators. meanwhile the legislators have a chance of one-stop shopping for out of state funding for re-election campaigns. >> great work by both of you. john, lisa, good to have you with us tonight. we'll do more on this because it affects 2012. next up, fox news replaced john
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so my family doesn't feel the pain too. ha! [ male announcer ] help protect your family at [ pigeons ] heyyy! hooo!!! the 2012 presidential hopefuls released their second quarter funding totals and the republicans have got a long way to go. they also have a lot of time to catch up. so far, president obama is blowing everyone else out of the water with record numbers. his campaign and the democratic national committee have raised $86 million. that's more than any other presidential candidate has ever raised at this point in an election cycle. and it smashes the president's own $60 million goal. plus, it's more than twice the amount republicans have raised so far. the righties raked in about $35 million combined. among republicans, mitt romney is way ahead, taking in a little more than $18 million over the second quarter.
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ron paul took in $4.5 million. tim pawlenty, john huntsman barely broke $4 million each and herman cane raised just $2.5 million. and newt with $2. who's giving to his campaign and his campaign is still deeply in debt. the major remaining question mark and intrigue in all of this is congresswoman bachmann of minnesota not reporting in the the last minute and the filing deadline is tomorrow.
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and in psychotalk tonight, we have the group of brain wizards who took over for glenn beck on fox news. they're called the five and it only took them three days to make it into "psycho talk." yesterday they were hollering of whether bush was a fearmonger when eric bowling decided to rewrite history. >> america was certainly saved between 2000 and 2008. i don't remember any terrorist
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attacks on american soil in that period of time. >> really, eric? you don't remember any attacks in george w. bush's administration? bowling has a long history of saying stupid stuff but this might be the worst. ignoring the most devastating terror attacks in american history because it doesn't fit your narrative is outrageous and by the way not one of the five pointed out bowling's blatant, self-serving lie in my book they're just as guilty as he is. and then today bowling went on the air and tried to wriggle his way out of it. of course, he blamed it all on the liberal media. >> yesterday i misspoke saying there were no u.s. terror attacks in the bush years. obviously, i meant in the aftermath of 9/11. media matters posted the error saying i forgot about 9/11. no. i haven't forgotten. i happen to be standing there watching in true terror as radical islamists slammed planes
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into the towers that morning. i'll never forget 9/11 but thank you, liberals, for reminding me how petty you can be. >> petty? insensitive on your part. could you be any dumber? eric bowling thinks it's pretty petty to point out deliberately ignoring 9/11 to make bush look good? i don't care how many lame excuses he comes up with saying he doesn't remember any attacks on american soil on bush's watch is flat-out offensive psychotalk. summer of 2011 is shaping up to be a barn burner for radio talk in america. we have the debt ceiling fight, the whacko righties and now uncle murdoch. three of my very opinionated friends on the radio dial join me in a moment.
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and finally tonight on "the ed show" republicans are doing everything they can to convince americans the debt ceiling fight is all president obama's fault but the american people, well, they're not buying it according to the polls. remember this poll showing 48% of americans would blame republicans if the debt ceiling isn't raised? well, only 34% would blame president obama. further more, 49% of independents would hold republicans responsible and almost 30% of republicans would
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blame their own party. and when it comes to the economy, as a whole, 54% of people say that the bad economy is w.'s fault. only 27% are ready to blame the current president of the united states, barack obama. for more on this as well as some other hot top stories of the week, let's bring in bill press, author of "toxic talk." and also with us tonight is heidi harris, i don't know if heidi's had anything to do with that or not. >> not poisoning them. >> and joe madison with us tonight. great to have all of you here. heidi, i know that you don't like polls so let me present it to you this way. as a question, who's winning in the arena of public opinion when it comes to the debt ceiling debate in washington? >> well, you know, i think the voters are disgusted with everybody. the way i look at it is 14 trillion, 16, 20, what difference it make? 12 zeros.
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will we ever pay it off? the american people are disgusted with both sides spending money and even if they cut this or that or over the next ten years they're continuing to spend beyond what they can and they're mortgaging the kids' future. i think they're disgusted with both sides. >> who's taking the heat? >> well, i think after yesterday, barack obama at least with my audience was a big winner. finally, finally. almost for three hours, people said that's the barack obama we have been waiting for. when he challenged eric cantor and told him, don't call my bluff. i'll take this to the american people. and i think that's because he saw the polls and he knew that eric cantor who's leading this charge cannot win. and if the republicans go down on this, it will be eric cantor's fault. >> well, it was no question that the president came out strong on that point.
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but considering what you said, joe, bill press, is this the barack obama the american people have been waiting for putting the big three on the table for possible cuts to the tune of $4 trillion? >> i don't think we have to worry about president obama cutting benefits to social security and medicare but i agree with joe. i mean, i think, you know, the word i would use is check mate because you have the republicans, they can't agree on each other on anything. john boehner and eric cantor are in a duel of leadership over there. cantor has a knife in the hand hoping boehner backs up into it. mcconnell says throw it all away and then michele bachmann and steve king saying it doesn't matter whether we raise the debt ceiling or not so i think the people see there's one grown-up in the room and four babies in the room and they're the republicans. >> heidi, is cantor general flekting to the tea party on there? >> he shouldn't budge on taxes. i don't know that it matters if
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you raise the debt ceiling. we won't pay the bills off anyway. >> oh god. come on. >> we can't have more taxes. you simply can't have more taxes. why won't president obama and the left say, hey, we won't agree to more taxes? >> look. it is the bush's -- it is the bush's tax policies that got us in this. you had net zero -- >> oh, please. >> let me finish, please. you had net zero gain of jobs under bush when millionaires and billionaires had tax cuts. net zero gain. now we want to talk about zeros, those are big zeros and so -- >> let me. >> i'm sorry. go ahead. >> no, i'm sorry. i didn't mean to interrupt. a fact on the table, the four republicans who are sitting at that table in the white house, i learned this down there today, have voted 25 times collectively
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to raise the debt ceiling with no conditions whatsoever. this time they came around and said we'll raise it if you give us deep cuts. president obama went along. he gave them $3 trillion in program cuts, budget tear cuts and said you match it now with $1 trillion. no heidi, not in new taxes. getting rid of subsidies and the republicans have walked away from the deal. they're idiots. >> ronald reagan raised taxes 11 times! >> yes! >> 11 times. >> listen. the debt ceiling's been raised almost 100 times since 1917. this is not news to anybody and telling you the average american people, not the person living within the beltway, the average american person saying, they're not going to take it off. >> you know why you're wrong? let me take that. because come august 3rd, some of those people are not going to get their veterans benefits. some of those people won't get a social security check. >> why do they -- not welfare checks? stop the welfare checks and the unemployment.
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that's what we ought to do. >> you cannot pay all the bills when you have $136 billion shortfall. those people are not going to get paid. you know what i think obama should be doing right now? have the social security working on those tea party districts and they ought to be the people who don't get their social security checks because they voted for these people. >> heidi, quickly, what about mitch mcconnell? is he a savior on sanity on this side? >> he is folding like a cheap tent. what's the point of posturing if you let president obama have complete control? if that's the whole point why have we waited this long to get that done? i don't understand that. >> all right. bill press, heidi harris, joe madison, we could go for hours. that's "the ed show." i'm ed schultz. country on the brink.

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